The D for Dalrymple Questionhair (part five): Talking

Back in April Christina wrote a post about body hair and hair removal. At the end of the post she included a link to a short survey on the subject of hair and hair removal. She called this survey the ‘Questionhair’, because it was funny. You’re welcome.

Your dedicated corrhairspondent has just returned from  a week in France spent variously frolicking in azure waters, wandering through hilltop villages, and wondering why the hell she ever thought that devoting a day a week unpaid to a survey about body hair was a normal or sane thing to do.

But stick with me, friend, for the end, now, is truly in sight.

You will recall that our last look at the Questionhair revealed an unduly large proportion of respondents who believed themselves to be more hairy than the average women. A significant number of women also commented on how difficult it was to accurately gauge their own hairiness in comparison to other people’s – although it didn’t stop them from trying.

I put forward a number of explanations for this phenomenon, but am still inclined to come down on the side of simple ignorance*. We live in a culture that can make it pretty difficult for women to be hairy, bald, fat, skinny, tall, short… when you think about it, disposing of hair is actually one of the more easy things we can change about ourselves when it comes to fashion and fitting in.

So we do. Most of us – a stunning 97.6% of the Questionhair sample – engage in hair removal of one kind or another to some extent. It’s no wonder we don’t know what ‘normal’ even means any more. How are we supposed to know what the average woman looks like if we never really see her? How are we supposed to know what the average woman looks like if we’re not even supposed to TALK about it?

One of my clearest memories from teenage years is from one of my family’s obligatory Sunday afternoon walks. I was about 14, I think, and rather unusually for that period of my life was talking to my mum. Though the finer details of our conversation have been deleted from my data banks, I vaguely remember that I was rather vocally struggling with the concept that women were expected to shave their armpits while men weren’t. So far, so friendless teen.

My parents had friends staying at our house that weekend, a couple, who were also walking with us in Richmond Park that afternoon. She was a thin, elegant, matching kind of woman who that morning had subtly yet firmly upbraided me for spreading butter as well as jam on my croissant. He was much older, softly spoken, and wore polo necks under tweed jackets. And now he chipped in: “You know, I don’t think it’s very polite for ladies to talk about that kind of thing in public.”

His tone was kindly, but essentially quite authoritative. I suppose on one hand I was being flattered – after all, I counted as a lady, not a child – but still it was clear that this was an admonishment, presumably offered by way of aid to my poor mother, who was clearly unable to control her wayward, fat daughter. The couple did not have any children of their own.

I’m 27 now, yet even the mention of the couple’s names brings the memory of that exchange and all the concomitant feelings of injustice, embarrassment, anger and, latterly, shame, flooding back. The event has become fixed in  my consciousness as the moment I realised that, bums and boobs aside, there could be a whole OTHER set of bodily areas that it was unacceptable to discuss, let alone own.

Question nine of the Questionhair asked you how open you are about your own hair removal practices. 577 women answered the question. Here’s what they said:

I have to say I found these results really quite heartening. Many more people than I expected said they were happy to talk about hair and hair removal – if not to everyone, to their friends and relatives. And I was even more pleased to see the obvious delight that some women take in discussing these topics, whether because of personal pride –

I’ve got some boob hairs that are 3 inches long!

– or for the simple, childlike joy of making other people squirm with embarrassment:

I talk about removing leg and pit hair all the time, mostly jokingly, with my friends and sometimes boys to make them uncomfortable.

The question generally yielded a high volume of empowering comments from some kickass women.

I’m happy to discuss it because the only place I remove hair is my armpits and I like to show people my other body hair. Either it will disgust them and they lose at being good people or they will see that their own hair isn’t that bad.

I’m happy to talk to anyone who wants to listen about my non-removal of my hair and how I’m happy with my hairyness.

It’s my way of coming to terms with the cultural imperative to a) REMOVE ALL HAIR, and b) PRETEND YOU ARE NATURALLY HAIRLESS: talk brazenly, and in uncomfortable detail, about every facet of the process.

I happily chat about my hairy pits and wave them around in public – it’s nice to normalise not shaving as an option!

My bro-in-law hates my hair and comments on it at every opportunity. Mostly, I just tell him to go to hell.

I’m not embarrassed and I’m sort of chuffed to get the opportunity to explain my choice to someone who may not have encountered someone who’s happy to discuss it.

Hair and hair removal (or lack thereof) seems to be quite an especially popular topic of conversation when it’s exclusively between women:

I have a lot of sisters, so it’s a fairly common topic of conversation in my family (though I’m quite sure I’m hairier than them).

I’d discuss anything with my sisters/mum (as they share the same issues!) but probably not so much with friends.

I went to boarding school and then an all girls college at uni – conversations about hair removal were pretty commonplace… in fact pretty much any conversation opener would eventually segue into tales of waxing.

Telling a room full of women I’d only met an hour ago that I don’t do anything with my pubic hair was probably a highlight.

The only person I’ll discuss it with is my mum – and that’s usually in an accusatory manner.

My 15yo baby sister gladly gave in my pro-hair propaganda, and now when we see each other we do a contest to see which of us have the most hairy armpits (what a lovely family, isn’t it?). My mom thinks I’m just a doodoo who reads way to much North American bullshit over the internet.

But of course, there’s another end to this scale of openness. Some people find it really, really tough to talk openly about hair and hair removal.

It’s a hugely emotional topic.

It’s all a bit embarrassing.

I’ll talk angrily about being required to remove hair, but I do worry people will think I’m weird and gross if they find out how little of it I do remove.

Only once has pubic hair come up – even between me and my closest friend – and, although we were being ‘jokey,’ it was quite awkward.

Basically, whenever we discuss body hair, we end up arguing and I feel attacked, so I avoid it.

Someone just came to my desk – a girl who I really like and have somewhat obscene conversations with – and I still had to minimise this window.

A lot of people were keen to make distinctions between the kind of people with whom they would and wouldn’t discuss body hair. This came over particularly strongly in comments relating to romantic relationships:

Of course it depends which hair. Pubic hair = different discussion levels. Then only close friends/lovers.

I am happy to discuss it with my female friends, but I would not discuss the removal of hair that I feel is unsightly with my boyfriend. He is aware I shave my armpits and epilate my legs but he doesn’t know about my damn chin hair!! [I hope? ha ha]

I try to hide the beard hair from my significant other…

I wax my nostrils (along with my upper lip) at least every 10 days (when my husband is out at work). Our honeymoon got extended and I had to confess I wax my upper lip – was v embarrassed but he said he already knew! I’d previously said I wax my eyebrows. NEVER told anyone I wax my nostrils!

I’ve had one or two conversations with my partner to find out if he has any preferences/issues with body hair. To be honest, the discussion made me feel better about it.

Many people also made clear distinctions not only between the kind of people they would discuss these issues with, but the kinds of hair and hair removal that they would be willing to discuss at all. It seems that for many, a conversation about hair removal is just too close to an admission that the hair exists in the first place.

On the whole, people were prepared to admit they get rid of the hair on their legs, bikini lines and underarms but were more secretive when it came to other parts of the body:

[I’d discuss] eyebrow/leg woes, not so much fuzzy upper thighs/parts of bum/toes etc.

I have no objection to talking about eyebrows, armpits, legs or pubes but I’d really rather not let the world know I have a hairy upper lip.

Depending on what area of hair removal we’re talking about. If it’s leg, bikini line, underarms, eyebrows I’m very open. But facial hair removal is something I feel very uncomfortable talking about (and never discuss it with anyone).

Trimming… down there *points* I just don’t think that is anyone’s business but mine.

Would talk about waxing with close friends but have NEVER discussed facial hair removal with a close friend other than the time I was in a Chinese nail bar in New York with a friend and the elderly Chinese lady asked me if I wanted a “neck wax”. I think I screamed.

Fewer people get to know I pluck the darkest thickest longest cleavage furs than the obvious “I shave my pits – do I actually need to shower or can I just dry shave?” skank convo.

I’m in the truly enviable position of having have access to oodles of data that proves I’m not alone in having hair on parts of my body that I’ve been conditioned over the years to hate. But the only reason I have this data is because it was given to me under the conditions of an anonymous survey. By and large, women are not willing to have this conversation in public. Remember this?

Ms X: I’m fine talking about periods, face boils (pain and pressure like I’ve never experienced), but I would never talk about facial hair to anyone.

Me: Why?

Ms X: I guess that it’s just such an unladylike affliction and I want to be feminine. I wouldn’t even talk about it to my closest female friends.

Me: So you just deal with it quietly and hope no-one notices that you normally have hairs on your chin?

Ms X: Yep.

Obviously I and many of writers whose work I come across in my research** have no scruples of this kind. But still, for many people, the topic of hair removal is seen as thrillingly risqué or unnecessarily coarse. Think of all the things people say about women who don’t get rid of body hair – that they’re attention seeking, have some kind of political agenda, are unattractive, or worst of all, unfeminine. Yet it’s not difficult to imagine the exact same labels being slapped on the women who do remove body hair, but talk about it.

It’s a lose-lose situation: we’re undesirable if we don’t remove our body hair, and we’re undesirable and rude if we do but are open about it. Seemingly, the only way to be both desirable and feminine is to remove the hair but pretend you don’t: to sustain the illusion of being naturally hairless.

This, friends, is how sad stories are made.

When I was 12 I secretly bought some wax and put it on my stomach hair. I didn’t get it off properly and it left a nasty sticky brown mark for four weeks. I spent the entire holiday hiding so that no-one would know a) I had the problem with the wax and b) I had the hair problem at all.

Speaking as someone who, aged 16, glued their calves to the back of their thighs and spent half an hour flapping on the bathroom floor like a hairy, beached mermaid – I feel your pain. Let’s talk more.

See also:

The D for Dalrymple Questionhair results – preamble and defence

The D for Dalrymple Questionhair (part 1): Gender, Age, Geography

The D for Dalrymple Questionhair (part 2): Frequency, Methods, Cost 

The D for Dalrymple Questionhair (part 3): Where

The D for Dalrymple Questionhair (part 4): Comparisons

* Plus ça fucking change

** Yes, I do research into this kind of thing – thank you, Google alerts

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Goodbyeeeeee

– Bins out

– Hot water off

– Brie and sugar snap peas for breakfast

– Basil plant ritually slain

– Suitcase by the front door

– Passport gaffer-taped to my face

Looks like I’m all set for a week’s holiday in Foreign.

Oh, but BA have cancelled my flight. How nice of them.

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The D for Dalrymple Questionhair (part four): Comparisons

I know you definitely use these

Back in April Christina wrote a post about body hair and hair removal. At the end of the post she included a link to a short survey on the subject of hair and hair removal. She called this survey the ‘Questionhair’, because it was funny. You’re welcome.

Hello everyone – and thanks for sticking with me during this series of posts looking at results from April’s Questionhair. There have been a lot of interesting results so far but for me, it’s this week’s data that has been the most revelatory. I’m really pleased to be able to include a lot of your original comments in this post, as it means less work for me they’re by far the best part.

We’re now up to question eight, which asked you how you thought your natural hairiness compared to that of other women in general.

For this question, quite a few people felt it was important to point out that the colour of hair can be as important as its amount or location when it comes to how it affects the way you look and feel. Again, fair-haired people reported and were generally perceived to have fewer ‘problems’ with their body hair due to lesser visibility. 22 people felt strongly enough about the distinction to write comments about it – here are a few of their observations:

If I’m averagely hairy, you also need to take into account that I’m a brunette, so body hair is much more obvious.

It’s difficult to say because I’m very dark haired so it shows up more than on a blonde woman. I grow more hair than some of my friends but couldn’t really speculate on how my hairiness fits on a scale comprising all women.

I have fairish hair so it’s not terribly visible until it has practically formed a fur coat.

I think I have quite a lot of hair on my body (arms, legs, sideburns, cheeks, pubes, ass, toes, armpits, neck) but it’s very pale and fine so it doesn’t show much unless you’re close up. I think my sideburns look super pretty when they catch the light.

577 women bravely went on to tackle the question of how MUCH hair they had. A mere 6% officially declined to offer an opinion, saying that they either didn’t know or didn’t WANT to know how they compared with others, body hair-wise:

I don’t care how hairy women are so I don’t really pay attention.

The other 96% were happy to take a guess. 99 women (around 17% of respondents) said that they thought they were probably less hairy than most:

I am a weird hairless freak and I realise this makes me lucky in that I am totally patriarchy 2.0 compliant with little effort.

41% thought they were of a similar hairiness to most women, and 36% thought that they were more hairy than the average women.

The hairy 36% had quite a lot to say on the topic:

So. Hairy.

I KNOW I’m hairier than most women. I’m constantly aware of hair on other women, and so know that I’m rather more hairier than them unfortunately.

I’m hairier than most GUYS.

I am a gorilla compared to most women – this is not a joke.

I have more hair than a chimp!

I’m practically the Missing Link.

Did I mention my theory that my real mother was impregnated by a chimpanzee in a secret 1970s experiment, and the babies, including me, were shaved and put up for adoption when research funding ran out? I’m really into fruit, too, so it must be true…

I may just be hairier because I cultivate mine.

For proof, when I went to my first laser hair removal session, the doctor (and remember this is a medically trained man who treats hairy women FOR HIS JOB) said, “oh my, that’s really quite thick, isn’t it?” Thanks a bunch, Dr Naidoo. And for second proof, a significant other once stroked my (foolishly unshaven) thighs in bed and murmured something romantic which I didn’t hear. Smiling, I asked him what he’d said…”I said, I could light a match on your thighs”.

I have real beard hairs and am more facially hairy than my sister, mum, friends.

I do have very dark (and abundant) pubic hair and this was an issue while living in Australia, where women seem to universally wax and small children would stop and stare at the beach. However the number of times in a decade when you can strip to your underpants on a Scottish beach have made it less of an issue here.

I know I’m definitely much hairier than most women and a fair number of men; I have PCOS & have always been a hairy manbeast.

When I was about 13 a doctor thought I might have polycystic ovary syndrome, one of the indicators is that you’ve got more body hair. My mum said to me, “Well, I’m not saying that you’re a gorilla or anything, but you are quite hairy, aren’t you?” There you are, you have it from my mother – I am abnormally hairy.

Some great comments. I’m laughing, I’m crying, but before I start bashing my head on the keyboard, let’s just step back and have another look at those stats, shall we?

– 41% of women said: “I think I’m probably of a similar hairiness to most women”

– 36% of women said: “I think I’m probably hairier than most women”

Now, I’ll freely admit that maths is not my strong point. Never has been. My school even made me do an intermediate tier maths GCSE where the highest mark you could get was a B and you got ten marks just for spelling your name correctly at the top. (Probably.) I recently had to call my dad to check how to work out percentages. But even I can see that something isn’t quite right here.

FIRST WEIRD THING: less than half of all women surveyed thought that they belonged to what, by definition, should have been the largest respondent group: the average. The median. MOST OF US. Look, I done a graph to show what the results should look like.

Figure one: what I expected people to say

As you can see from this highly scientific and accurate graph – which also, unexpectedly, doubles as a hairy Bolivian flag – I’ve plotted an imaginary line between a vertical axis of hairiness and an imaginary horizontal axis of your responses. The line is imaginary because I didn’t ask you to quantify your hair growth in any more detail than saying which of the three options – less, average, more – you thought you belonged to. But the line looks pretty and I spent the best part of a morning on this, so it stays.

You’d expect to see the majority of responses dotted along the line in the ‘average’ zone. That’s what average means, I think. But –

SECOND WEIRD – AND TROUBLING – THING: very nearly the same amount of women who thought they were average said that they thought they were of above average hairiness. Look.

Figure two: what people *actually* said

Figure two took me 25 minutes to draw and colour in and very clearly demonstrates that the yellow ‘average’ zone is nearly the same size as the red ‘danger’, sorry, ‘above average’ zone. The green ‘below average’ zone is hardly there at all. This is what you told me.

Can we all just take a second to consider how statistically unlikely these figures are?

It’s clear that something has gone wrong. It’s either me, or it’s you, or it’s the Questionhair itself.

I discussed this problem with my friend Tom, who works in a bank. Tom is a man who not only knows how to work out percentages but can use all of the buttons on a scientific calculator, including the ones with symbols that only the higher tier GCSE class got to learn about. Together we came up with a few theories to explain the anomaly:

Theory one: women of above-average hairiness were over-represented in the sample.

Could women of above-average hairiness have been particularly drawn to my survey – like furry moths to a flame? I certainly didn’t promote my survey to any known hairy user groups, but might the fact that the survey was about hair have attracted a particularly hairy sample? Do people with a large surface area of hair has a correspondingly greater interest in hair-related media? Does melatonin affect browsing habits?

Theory two: survey-takers’ responses were affected by their desire to please the surveyer.

This idea came from a paper Tom had been reading about the social desirability hypothesis, which suggests that some survey-takers fabricate their responses in an attempt to gain an interviewers’ approval. Is it possible that you guys thought you could make me happy by telling me you were super-hairy, when actually you’re not? Let’s rephrase: are there people out there who think I get off on everyone being hairy? Oh god.

Theory three: some survey-takers have an inaccurate perception of their own physical appearance.

Perhaps some of the people who answered this question were just plain wrong about how much hair they have. Could these figures be the result of widespread body dysmorphia among respondents?

Theory four: women nowadays have a realllllly hard time judging their own appearance relative to that of others, because they rarely see how other women actually, naturally are.

If you’ve been following the Questionhair since the beginning, it’s probably not hard to guess which of these theories I find most compelling. Let’s quickly review what we know so far about our sample: over half remove hair twice a week or more, spending on average £20-50 per year on up to thirteen different methods of removing hair from every conceivable place on their bodies.

How on earth are we supposed to know what the norm is when the bodies around us are so routinely plucked, trimmed, shaven, waxed, lasered or otherwise modified? We’re far more likely to see each other freshly plucked than not.

The comments from this question make it abundantly clear how hard it is for many women to accept other people’s bodies, let alone their own:

I don’t think I ever really see how hairy other women are/ aren’t.

I’ve given up on trying to figure out how hairy I am compared to other women, because I so rarely see female body hair in its natural state. I used to think I was pretty hairy, but now realise that this is probably because I had assumed that other women’s hairlessness was “normal” for them, rather than the result of an extensive beauty regime.

I don’t have a very realistic idea of how hairy “ordinary” women are, i.e. women who are not called Kate Moss and the like.

It never even occurred to me to e.g. shave my arms or so – and I was pretty dumbstruck when some female friends told me a couple of weeks ago they’d actually shave their arms, bellies, backs (…) on a regular basis.

I am eternally grateful to Jade Goody for shaving her belly in view of a camera during Big Brother: that’s the first time I knew that other women had belly hair and I wasn’t a freak after all. I think I was about 20 years old.

I’m not sure how hairy is ‘normal’. Is it normal for your bikini line to be about a centimetre outside your underwear? If so, why do they cut ladies underwear so small?

How is it most women can wear bikinis? And most underwear is low-cut or with see-through patches?

I’m not sure how hairy other women are really, because it’s always removed where it would be visible, or it’s not talked about.

Let’s talk about it. Coming up next – how open are you about your hair removal practices?

See also:

The D for Dalrymple Questionhair results – preamble and defence

The D for Dalrymple Questionhair (part 1): Gender, Age, Geography

The D for Dalrymple Questionhair (part 2): Frequency, Methods, Cost 

The D for Dalrymple Questionhair (part 3): Where

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